[HaeMeS]

THE classic shoe is back: http://www.klettern.de/news/sonstiges/outdoor-und-kletterschuhe-2014-neuheiten-von-der-outdoor-messe.818859.5.htm

 

[dave]

Fuck me, they look toilet.

[Muenchener]

Yes, but "überarbeitete Version" could cover a multitude of sins. Verdes and Blancos were supposed to be slightly revised / improved versions too as I understand.

"Verschlimmbessern" is one of many excellent German verbs for which there's no really snappy English equivalent. "To make worse by 'improving'".

[Wood FT]

it looks like nob all thought has gone into that, especially when you click on to the next picture and it's basically identical bar the lacing

[moose]

I saw Steve McClure testing what looked like a pair of those last month.  From what I overheard, they aren't as stiff or precise as the original / Blancos.  He suggested they were more suited to trad or hot-rock destinations where something a bit softer would suit sunny tufa wrestling.

[andyd]

Just what Five Ten needs. Another shoe.
They were great, but I wonder now how they would compare.
Same irritating lace up system I see.
I think there's an element of looking back with Anasazi tinted spectacles.

[psychomansam]

I do easier stuff in some old-but-new pinks at the minute. They're great at the front but they're soft, the heel is useless and the step up in design when I put on my Vapour lace-ups is huge.

I'm sure they'll be good for someone.

[SA Chris]

Wonder if they'll still do the classic split down the side of the heel?

[Paul B]

Just what Five Ten needs. Another soft shoe.

[tommytwotone]

I think everyone's overlooking the important factor here - they're going to look fucking AMAZING with jeans, and can you say that about Verdes? Blancos?


(Rests case)

[tomtom]

I think everyone's overlooking the important factor here - they're going to look fucking AMAZING with jeans, and can you say that about Verdes? Blancos?


(Rests case)

But no-one will see yours 3T when they're stuffed deep in all those grim cracks you're climbing at the moment

[Paul B]

Shirley Purple is the new Pink?

[tommytwotone]

I think everyone's overlooking the important factor here - they're going to look fucking AMAZING with jeans, and can you say that about Verdes? Blancos?


(Rests case)

But no-one will see yours 3T when they're stuffed deep in all those grim cracks you're climbing at the moment

As a matter of fact, a pair of now-pretty-work-in old skool pinks are my shoe of choice for all the offwidthing...they really are the shoe for all seasons (that don't involve heel hooking)!

[T_B]

Adidas marketeers at work. Too obvious!

(Try making a shoe that lasts 5 minutes and you might tempt back all those of us who switched to Scarpa  )

[cheque]

Adidas marketeers at work. Too obvious!

I thought this too. I wonder if references on here played their part? If so, how long before we see a Five Ten "Pain au Raisin"?! 

Having started climbing after they were discontinued, I'm not fussed about trying what seems to be a nostalgia shoe personally. I can't help but think that by playing to the "not as good as they used to be" market with anything but a totally unchanged model they're shooting themselves in the foot too.

[mrjonathanr]

they're shooting themselves in the foot

Boom boom!

[tomtom]

they're shooting themselves in the foot

Boom boom!

I thought that pun was a bit corny.. Still I doubt it will be the sole effort...

[Tommy]

I've have 4 sessions now in the new pinks and I think they've done a great job. Maybe even surpassing the original (which was good anyway) in the all-roundness stakes. It's touch stiffer that the original and has a better heel as well.

I think I'll probably be favouring these over the VCS for now. Flipping good finger crack climbing boot as well, which was a surprise.

[Paul B]

(Try making a shoe that lasts 5 minutes and you might tempt back all those of us who switched to Scarpa  )

I bought a pair of FiveTen guide tennies that started coming apart after walking ~10 miles over a few days (48 hours and up and down the Muir trail to Half Dome). Fantastically poor build quality.

Before I was using stock-piled boots so never really had the problem of boots falling apart (or didn't notice it anyhow), now they seem to last 5 minutes and look quite frankly crap next to the build of the Scarpas I was using a month or so before going away. Frustratingly, FiveTens are abundant in North America and Scarpa are not!

[galpinos]

Has anyone tried these as well as Tommy?

Tried a pair on last night. They seem slightly stifer than my VCS out of the box, but bigger for the given size. I'm an 8 in VCS but the 8 pink seemed to fit like a worn in pair of VCS. Will they stretch? Tommy, how do you size them, compared to the VCS? For all the slagging the heel has got it fits me pretty well.....

Look like it'd be a great all round/grit shoe. I can imagine having a pair for trad climbing, I'd just need to dust of the rack and actually do some....

[Tommy]

I wear a 6.5 VCS and a 6.5 Pink. I think I'm roughly the same fit in each but maybe if I think about it the pink is a tiny bit more relaxed. But that seems to be ok for me as I can crank the laces a little if needed.

I wore these on doing Captain Invincible recently and also on a limestone sport trip and it performed well on both. The only thing I definitely wouldn't be using it for is something like slate edging or really hard vert limestone. In terms of trad, I put these in my bag now every time over a pair of VCS. 

[galpinos]

I wear a 6.5 VCS and a 6.5 Pink. I think I'm roughly the same fit in each but maybe if I think about it the pink is a tiny bit more relaxed. But that seems to be ok for me as I can crank the laces a little if needed.

I wore these on doing Captain Invincible recently and also on a limestone sport trip and it performed well on both. The only thing I definitely wouldn't be using it for is something like slate edging or really hard vert limestone. In terms of trad, I put these in my bag now every time over a pair of VCS.

Cheers Tommy, food for thought. Will the pink clash with my trousers though......

[Dolly]

The only thing I definitely wouldn't be using it for is something like slate edging or really hard vert limestone.

I would have thought they'd be perfect for that ? ie same as the originals but a bit better  - unless I misunderstood.

[mrjonathanr]

Tried these on today, currently using old resoled pair on grit which I had to hand so could compare the two.

New one is a smidgin narrower but otherwise it's the same shoe with a sensible heel. Don't think there's any difference in stiffness, the old model was fairly supportive too.

[Sidehaas]

I always thought the verdes were the old pinks with a better heel albeit still not much good. But I only ever had one pair of old pinks and was a reet punter. Verdes have been my go to shoe for trad ever since they came out. Are the pinks stiffer?  Not as stiff or aggressive in the heel as whites i assume?