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#75 Re: RIP - free speech?
April 15, 2013, 11:01:19 am
I tend to agree with habrich and lund.

I would be in favour of dumping politics from forum.

Maybe have a vent thread for member viewing only?

Personally, I'll check my opinions at the door, and stick to discussing climbing, culture, cider, and cute fluffy stuff for magpie of course.

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#76 Re: RIP - free speech?
April 15, 2013, 11:11:04 am
I'm afraid I do because there are INDIVIDUALS who do know a lot about non-climbing topics and are far from thickos...

Jasper knows what he's talking about when it comes to finances.

Dense, JB, Bonjoy and others know their rope access.

Paul B, dave, JB and many others know their photography.

tomtom, Will and andy_e know their geology.

habrich knows about economics/markets.

etc. etc. etc.

To ignore this would be a shame.

So unless you are an expert in your given field, are you not entitled to give an opinion? Surely anyone is allowed to express an opinion on any subject they choose, and then through open discussion and debate on the forum get educated or get flamed?

We may all have a common love of climbing (well 99% of us) but outside of that guess what, we are individuals who will have varying (and often opposing) views on just about everything and anything, which will result in discussion and disagreement. It's all part of the rich tapestry surely? If people reach a point where they feel they are no longer welcome because of their views on a certain subject IMO this forum will be a poorer place.

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#77 Re: RIP - free speech?
April 15, 2013, 11:27:45 am
So unless you are an expert in your given field, are you not entitled to give an opinion?


No Chris, thats not what I said.  I said that individuals are not necessarily thickos in all areas, precisely because we each have our own area of expertise, and to ignore that aspect of knowledge and insight that regular users share by saying that collectively we are 'thickos' would be a shame.

In saying this I did not state or in anyway even attempt to insinuate,  that just because you're not an expert that you are not allowed to have an opinion of your own and express it.

I thought what I wrote was quite black and white, but clearly not, I shall try and be clearer next time.

we are individuals who will have varying (and often opposing) views on just about everything and anything, which will result in discussion and disagreement. It's all part of the rich tapestry surely?

Yes, something I mentioned a while ago myself when you were telling me to shut the fuck up.

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#78 Re: RIP - free speech?
April 15, 2013, 11:29:09 am
I find it quite interesting to see what people believe in politically and to see how entrenched/non entrenched their views are. I think there's a lot of non climbing knowledge on here and not sure if that would or wouldn't suffer from more moderation. I don't think the forum shouldn't discuss politics as it affects us all and is in various elements of what we all do, right down to crag access. I don't think there should be a requirement to be an active climber to post on here either ( I assume that people's past experience is really useful and valid for the hive brain). I also hope there isn't a requirement to be climbing above a certain grade or else I'm screwed.
from a voyeuristic perspective it feels as though the forum is now (post dfbwgcgate) setting norms and expected behaviours with some storming as well, be interesting to see where it finally settles at. www.businessballs.com/tuckmanformingstormingnormingperforming.htm   
 

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#79 Re: RIP - free speech?
April 15, 2013, 11:51:47 am
Yes, something I mentioned a while ago myself when you were telling me to shut the fuck up.

I didn't tell you to shut the fuck up (although I should have :) ). You are entitled to express an opinion, but just understand that sometimes it might not actually be a catch all solution to everyone's problems.

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#80 Re: RIP - free speech?
April 15, 2013, 12:04:00 pm
Karma is a really good way of dealing with things - and I think this forum is really very good at handling internal moderation.

Even though I was harranged on a thread the other day like a Trot in a conservative club.. ;)

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#81 Re: RIP - free speech?
April 15, 2013, 12:09:11 pm
In reply to Habrich, I wasn't implying there was a behind the scenes revolution, quite the opposite. It feels like UKB members (obviously including the mods as they're members too) are setting these norms and working out what is and isn't acceptable, with non mod members thinking about the impact on sponsors for example. The mods to me feel like part of the process, not leading it or shaping it. I wasn't trying to pass a value judgement as I think the mods and IOLs do a much better job than I'd do of it.

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#82 Re: RIP - free speech?
April 15, 2013, 12:12:25 pm
Changes are being made here which go against my principles, and I just cannot agree with them.  ;)

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#83 RIP - free speech?
April 15, 2013, 01:20:01 pm
Careful guys!

You're in danger of consensus.

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#84 Re: RIP - free speech?
April 15, 2013, 02:04:58 pm
Oh no I'm not.

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#85 Re: RIP - free speech?
April 15, 2013, 02:55:01 pm
that didn't work :/
« Last Edit: April 15, 2013, 03:00:07 pm by tomtom »

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#86 Re: RIP - free speech?
April 15, 2013, 03:08:14 pm
Oh no I'm not.
You are just bitter that you didn't make Slackers' elite "far-from-thickos" list ...

I'd like to think it's because I'm not a specialist; I know very little about a hell of a lot of things. I like the word polymath :)

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#87 Re: RIP - free speech?
April 15, 2013, 04:25:23 pm
Was going 2try 2say the same as Lund but using about 10 words and one of them was "fucking".
I see nothing wrong with free speech, tho its not free at all. The way I read things, surely most people do the same, is I read what's been said by who's said it and then I judge it. Ie if I see that Paul B's going on about a weights program I piss my sides and put this in the compartment in my head that says "nonsense" however if Paul was to go on about a program for getting strong fingers I'd lister attentively.
I don't comment on the political or other such threads since I don't know or pretend to know anything about such things. I'm a simple man, I go to work, I climb, I eat and I sleep. However I do read them and I struggle to comprehend why things are in such a mess when all the powers that be need do to sort out any problems is read ukb

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#88 Re: RIP - free speech?
April 15, 2013, 05:00:46 pm
Oh no I'm not.
You are just bitter that you didn't make Slackers' elite "far-from-thickos" list ...

I'd like to think it's because I'm not a specialist; I know very little about a hell of a lot of things. I like the word polymath :)

I prefer 'pubquizbore' ;D

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#89 Re: RIP - free speech?
April 15, 2013, 05:04:40 pm
I've never met a music round I didn't like.

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#90 Re: RIP - free speech?
April 15, 2013, 06:06:18 pm
Oh no I'm not.
You are just bitter that you didn't make Slackers' elite "far-from-thickos" list ...

I'd like to think it's because I'm not a specialist; I know very little about a hell of a lot of things. I like the word polymath :)
What I like about UKB is that you always learn something new, until today I didn't know that polymath meant twat.

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#91 Re: RIP - free speech?
April 15, 2013, 06:49:29 pm
Oh no I'm not.
You are just bitter that you didn't make Slackers' elite "far-from-thickos" list ...

I'd like to think it's because I'm not a specialist; I know very little about a hell of a lot of things. I like the word polymath :)
What I like about UKB is that you always learn something new, until today I didn't know that polymath meant twat.

ihadtoreadthatthreetimeshowaboutyoulearnwheretoputafullstop

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#92 RIP - free speech?
April 15, 2013, 07:04:36 pm
All the powers that be need do to sort out any problems is read ukb

I keep trying to email the Prime Minister about this, but he's not replying for some reason...

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#93 Re: RIP - free speech?
April 15, 2013, 09:02:56 pm
I'd like to think it's because I'm not a specialist; I know very little about a hell of a lot of things. I like the word polymath :)
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What I like about UKB is that you always learn something new, until today I didn't know that polymath meant twat.
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ihadtoreadthatthreetimeshowaboutyoulearnwheretoputafullstop
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 I genuinely don't get that.

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#94 Re: RIP - free speech?
April 15, 2013, 10:06:03 pm
Oh no I'm not.
You are just bitter that you didn't make Slackers' elite "far-from-thickos" list ...

I'd like to think it's because I'm not a specialist; I know very little about a hell of a lot of things. I like the word polymath :)
What I like about UKB is that you always learn something new, until today I didn't know that polymath meant twat.

In most cases usually in my case definitely.

 

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