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The end of the NHS.
« on: March 03, 2013, 08:13:01 pm »
 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9901194/Scrap-NHS-competition-rules-say-1000-in-letter-to-Telegraph.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21649307

For the first time ever Royal Colleges are engaging in political and contractual issues regarding the future of the NHS. There is serious concern that this is the start of the break up. This is not doctors protecting themselves - the profession is trying to protect the health service but I fear it will be to no avail.

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The end of the NHS.
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2013, 10:14:02 pm »
Don't things come into effect on the 1st April? (It's getting a bit late...)

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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2013, 09:26:26 am »
It is also not a surprise. Anybody who honestly thought this wasn't going to happen is a fucking idiot.

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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2013, 10:21:10 am »
It is also not a surprise. Anybody who honestly thought this wasn't going to happen is a fucking idiot.
Or reads the wrong paper. A few weeks ago Mrs Obi was talking to a family friend, regular Torygraph reader. She had now clue it was even on the agenda. Good to see them now publishing something about the break up. The BBC hardly cover it either.  :wall:

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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2013, 01:13:39 pm »
Probably not much use but the way I see it doing something is better than doing nothing:

https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/page/speakout/nhs-section-75-legal-advice-speakout
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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2013, 08:28:55 pm »
^^ Was Going to post the 38* link. Click on it and add your name.

It would be constructive if the vote stalled till after 2015 when the vultures will be out of office.

Interesting that the UKB home page with its intro

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leads on the Dead Fit Birds poll but omits the privatisation of the NHS.
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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2013, 09:57:51 pm »
Where to start?  There are so many facets!

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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2013, 06:48:32 am »
Interesting that the UKB home page with its intro
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leads on the Dead Fit Birds poll but omits the privatisation of the NHS.
Happy now?

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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2013, 08:56:12 pm »
The healthcare apocalypse is being slowed down

http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/house-of-commons-21673110
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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2013, 10:16:39 pm »

Happy now?

Yep. That's better  :2thumbsup:
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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2013, 10:44:04 pm »
 :agree:

Respect fatkid2000

It's all about to go Pete tong....

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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2013, 11:03:50 pm »
Tonight the house of lords has approved the privatisation of the NHS, in what seems a very strange almost news blackout about it.

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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2013, 08:34:11 am »
 :wavecry:

bye bye NHS

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/section-75-last-ditch-bid-stop-1852287

You would think this would be massive news everywhere. Why is it barely being reported.

Can we have a turning in his grave smiley for nye bevin please!

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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2013, 08:50:53 am »
Not massively surprising as I expect many sitting in the House of Lords have conflicts of interest.
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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2013, 08:58:03 am »
Not massively surprising as I expect many sitting in the House of Lords have conflicts of interest.

hi buddy.

Not surprising at all. Many do indeed have vested interests.

I find the lack of reporting odd though.

Still, bristol royal infirmary is getting a 5 million pound mini shopping mall.

We'll just have to make sure we don't get any chronic unprofitable diseases in future.

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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2013, 09:02:18 am »
I'm with you on the non reporting, barely a murmur. Only a couple of mentions on twitter. Weird really. How can one of our greatest institutions disappear without anybody noticing?

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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2013, 09:05:45 am »
This may be the final nail in the coffin, but it seemed pretty much inevitable to me after all attempts and campaigns failed last year.

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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2013, 09:09:29 am »
Similarly to the power industry, in a few years we will see Serco, Virgin et al creaming more massive profits from the NHS, service will be the same or worse, and MP shareholders will be on their boards on massive salaries and dividends. There will be little or no 'competition' for the public to benefit from.

There will be a lot more of this...
http://www.careukselfpay.com/treatments

Notice that Dupuytrens is in that list.

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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2013, 10:54:03 am »
The whole swathe of NHS reforms has been unilateral on the government's side. 

NHS111 was always going to be a disaster, we all said it would be a disaster but it was bulldozered through.  And it's a disaster.

Commissioning wasn't something GPs wanted, it was pushed upon them. 

The changes to the GP contract weren't agreed by the GPs or the BMA, they were unilaterally altered by the Government.

See a theme?

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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2013, 10:57:48 am »

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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2013, 11:18:00 am »
Virgin - half price return rail ticket with every bypass

Tesco - buy 2 dialysis sessions, get 3rd free

Sainsbury - nectar points with every chemo

Kwik fit - will take used kidney in part exchange for any organ transplant


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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2013, 02:43:12 pm »
There's an ongoing theme. Mr Hunt is forever blaming GPs for the lack of ooh &'A&E attendance. There was a junior health minister who stated radio 4 that there is no ooh service. That is utter rubbish. The enormous increase in A&E is not just due to GPs.

Under the new NHS arrangements we virtually got no practice income this month. We're down by thousands and the partners virtually got no pay.

This coupled with an enforced contract, a stack of new work.

A thing called AQP - I.e virgin bidding for our work. Don't be surprised if your local NHS services disappear.

The DoH has no interest in quality and only cares about box ticking.

5 years and it will be gone. Country needs to decide NHS or trident?

I suspect I'll be richer if it gets privatised but the country's health will be far worse.

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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2013, 03:12:11 pm »
Trident is so much shit.

After last night, i am already planning a medicine bank to run alongside our estate food bank.

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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2013, 04:04:03 pm »
Clearly Eddie Mair deems the story of the real heroes of telemark more news worthy than this... unbelievable. :-\
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Re: The end of the NHS.
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2013, 04:12:22 pm »
Similarly to the power industry, in a few years we will see Serco, Virgin et al creaming more massive profits from the NHS, service will be the same or worse, and MP shareholders will be on their boards on massive salaries and dividends. There will be little or no 'competition' for the public to benefit from.

There will be a lot more of this...
http://www.careukselfpay.com/treatments

Notice that Dupuytrens is in that list.


Interesting that CareUK list four locations in the UK, but fail to mention Luxembourg, where there profits go, tax-free(avoided)
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