Quote from: Will Hunt on October 01, 2015, 12:57:31 pmAnd the problem is not just limited to doctors.A recent ward merge between an elderly and a stroke ward (sounds like a fab idea that, doesn't it?) at the missus' place was driven not because there was insufficient money to fund two distinct wards, but because they simply can't recruit the staff to run them both. I wonder which is more cost effective: to ship in a Spanish nurse whose first language is not English; or to make nursing seem a more attractive prospect to a young school-leaver?And if the Spanish nurse has perfectly good English, what then? Because they too would be as cost effective in your example. I imagine. We're part of Europe, with all the opportunities for working in other countries that the EU brings.And 'ship in' implies a cargo, not a person with aspirations.
And the problem is not just limited to doctors.A recent ward merge between an elderly and a stroke ward (sounds like a fab idea that, doesn't it?) at the missus' place was driven not because there was insufficient money to fund two distinct wards, but because they simply can't recruit the staff to run them both. I wonder which is more cost effective: to ship in a Spanish nurse whose first language is not English; or to make nursing seem a more attractive prospect to a young school-leaver?
it is inevitably more expensive to ship/bus/fly nurses from overseas to work here when you consider the relocation package.
Quote from: Will Hunt on November 20, 2015, 12:55:36 pm it is inevitably more expensive to ship/bus/fly nurses from overseas to work here when you consider the relocation package.Got anything to back that up? Wouldn't surprise me if it's cheaper given that 1. you don't have to pay for the training and 2. you might be able to pay less.
Consider that foreign nationality nurses are likely to be young, single, and relatively inexperienced in the profession. They are likely to return home if and when their home governments relax austerity and they can get jobs there again, or they get bored of the UK, or they want to return home to start a family. When they leave they take the experience they have gained on the job with them and you have to start again with somebody new.If we were training enough of our own nurses to develop and act as more experienced mentors to newer recurits who are filling the odd gap then this might be sustainable. Unfortunately we are training precious few nurses, and this is possibly associated with the fact that jobs in nursing, and the NHS as a whole, are looking very unattractive to bright young things today.
I've been mightily fucked off with how the BBC have been handling this... Barracking the JDocs representative time after time that this was about pay - and him clearly responding every time that it was about safety/conditions. Like listening to Fox news....Grr. Angry TomTom.
Definately seems like an agenda, I don't know about others on here but my last 2 GP surgery's have emergency appointments (Hollies Med Centre and the Sloan Med centre).
BTW it is not just the end of the NHS, it is the end of the state as we know it.
