Author Topic: Armaid  (Read 2798 times)

Offline SA Chris

  • forum hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 18715
  • Karma: +361/-8
    • http://groups.msn.com/ChrisClix
Armaid
« on: October 31, 2012, 12:22:13 pm »
I noticed mention of this on the R&R FB page. Not seen it been discussed on here before, apologies if it has?

http://www.armaid.com/rockclimbers.php

Thoughts?
WARNING! Posting may contain traces of irony, spoonerisms, horse play, sarcasm or other attempts at humour. Not suitable for consumption by foody muckers.

Offline abarro81

  • forum hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 1556
  • Karma: +120/-19

Offline andy_e

  • forum hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 6671
  • Karma: +174/-42
    • South Lancs Bouldering
Re: Armaid
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2012, 12:54:05 pm »
I thought this thread was going to be about a NW Scotland venue.

Offline rosmat

  • addict
  • **
  • Posts: 139
  • Karma: +9/-0
Re: Armaid
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2012, 12:59:52 pm »
I think it more likely to alleviate the symptoms rather than actually treat the cause.
"there's only two grades really, piss or fuckin desperate.."

Offline lukeh

  • addict
  • **
  • Posts: 114
  • Karma: +3/-0
Re: Armaid
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2012, 01:18:42 pm »
Being sold by TCA, who posted this review on facebook:

Quote from: TCA
A nice review of Armaid by super-alpiniste matt Helliker:

Im not new to finger injuries, over the past 15 years i've had countless, I know how to deal with them and the recovery time it takes.

After a blown out A2/A3, 5 weeks ago whilst going strong, I popped another A2 pulley! I've gone through the standard processes of recovery but what's been different this time round has been the use of the Armaid, and without doubt this has sped up my recovery. Increasing blood flow to the area has brought my recovery time on by 2 weeks.

Previous to the injury I had been climbing and training a huge amount and I believe that this time round the injury was due to forearm tension, as i'd visited physio a number of times to get them released. I think that if i'd been using the Armaid a few months earlier I would have been able to avoid this injury and to not have been put back 6 weeks!

I will be using mine much more in future, get one or get injured!!

Matt


Looking forward to trying one out for myself.

Offline slackline

  • forum hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 17240
  • Karma: +506/-16
Re: Armaid
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2012, 01:29:39 pm »
"I believe"

"I think"


Pah, testimonials and reviews are all well and good, but they are anecdotal and a poor basis for "proving" something works.

Dave MacLeods review seems sensible in so much as it might help alleviate symptoms but doesn't address the underlying problem, but still lacks evidence to support the claim that it will actually alleviate symptoms.

"If we didnít die, we would not appreciate life as we do" - Jacques Cousteau

Offline SA Chris

  • forum hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 18715
  • Karma: +361/-8
    • http://groups.msn.com/ChrisClix
Re: Armaid
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2012, 01:46:18 pm »
Being sold by TCA, who posted this review on facebook:



Sorry, my mistake.
WARNING! Posting may contain traces of irony, spoonerisms, horse play, sarcasm or other attempts at humour. Not suitable for consumption by foody muckers.

Offline SA Chris

  • forum hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 18715
  • Karma: +361/-8
    • http://groups.msn.com/ChrisClix
Re: Armaid
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2012, 01:55:47 pm »
WARNING! Posting may contain traces of irony, spoonerisms, horse play, sarcasm or other attempts at humour. Not suitable for consumption by foody muckers.

Offline abarro81

  • forum hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 1556
  • Karma: +120/-19
Re: Armaid
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2012, 02:29:33 pm »
Also first time I looked at the pricetag!! £95!

My thoughts exactly. When I saw it on the review i thought I might get one for recovery more than anything else as I find a bit of massage helps.. at 95 quid I think I'll stick to rolling a tennis ball up and down my forearm or using my hand and some oily moisturiser. Ahem.

Offline Three Nine

  • junky
  • ****
  • Posts: 766
  • Karma: +57/-50
Re: Armaid
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2012, 02:47:04 pm »
Just prod it with one of your dildos.

Offline lukeh

  • addict
  • **
  • Posts: 114
  • Karma: +3/-0
Re: Armaid
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2012, 02:49:58 pm »
Pah, testimonials and reviews are all well and good, but they are anecdotal and a poor basis for "proving" something works.

Dave MacLeods review seems sensible in so much as it might help alleviate symptoms but doesn't address the underlying problem, but still lacks evidence to support the claim that it will actually alleviate symptoms.

Requiring absolute proof is a slow way to make progress in my opinion, following on from Macleod's point in his most recent blog that "The deeper you read into the detail of each field, the less seems reliable." The SCIENCE of sports medicine is not yet complete. The best we can do is use educated best guesses and logic. (This could be why I did not get along with academic research.)

In this case that might be along the lines of, blood flow increases healing, massage increases blood flow, this product massages...

I'm not saying that I think it'll be a magic wand and my arms will suddenly fix themselves, but as a part of a mixed method approach to solving various problems it seems a good bet (although that price tag does make it slightly more risky!!)

Maybe I'm just grasping at straws though.

Offline slackline

  • forum hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 17240
  • Karma: +506/-16
Re: Armaid
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2012, 03:38:57 pm »

Requiring absolute proof is a slow way to make progress in my opinion, following on from Macleod's point in his most recent blog that "The deeper you read into the detail of each field, the less seems reliable." The SCIENCE of sports medicine is not yet complete. The best we can do is use educated best guesses and logic. (This could be why I did not get along with academic research.)

In this case that might be along the lines of, blood flow increases healing, massage increases blood flow, this product massages...

I'm not saying that I think it'll be a magic wand and my arms will suddenly fix themselves, but as a part of a mixed method approach to solving various problems it seems a good bet (although that price tag does make it slightly more risky!!)

Maybe I'm just grasping at straws though.

And my take is that I'd want to know if its any more effective (both clinically and statistically) than abbaro81's hand cream and tennis ball regime at increasing the blood flow etc. etc.

Its one of the reasons why here in the UK there are Advertising Standards.
"If we didnít die, we would not appreciate life as we do" - Jacques Cousteau

Offline biscuit

  • menacing presence
  • **
  • Posts: 172
  • Karma: +8/-0
Re: Armaid
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2012, 06:05:33 pm »
Maybe, maybe not. But if having forked out for it makes you use it 2ce a day and it does a better job than an uneducated idiot poking around with his thumb where it hurts, or waving dumbells around at the wrong angle, ( that's me by the way ) it might be worth a punt.

I get sore elbows but if i have the time to train i will get on the fingerboard or my training board and probably not get round to doing what i should do - my elbow exercises.

There's a corresponding thread on UKC where a guy says he uses it for 1 min in the morning and 5 mins after training.

My wallet is staying shut though at that price unless this thread and the UKC one become full of praise for it and the pope declares a miracle cure.

Offline slackline

  • forum hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 17240
  • Karma: +506/-16
Re: Armaid
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2012, 06:12:02 pm »
Maybe, maybe not. But if having forked out for it makes you use it 2ce a day and it does a better job than an uneducated idiot poking around with his thumb where it hurts, or waving dumbells around at the wrong angle, ( that's me by the way ) it might be worth a punt.

I get sore elbows but if i have the time to train i will get on the fingerboard or my training board and probably not get round to doing what i should do - my elbow exercises.

You already have the answer to your sore elbows then don't you (and it isn't spending money on gimmicky products).
"If we didnít die, we would not appreciate life as we do" - Jacques Cousteau

Offline tj

  • regular
  • *
  • Posts: 67
  • Karma: +3/-0
Re: Armaid
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2012, 07:24:07 pm »
Perhaps they could form a "buy them both for £300" deal with Accapi, although I suppose if you used them both at the same time there may be a risk of tearing a hole in the time-space continuum...

Offline iwasmexican

  • menacing presence
  • **
  • Posts: 218
  • Karma: +5/-0
Re: Armaid
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2012, 07:30:11 pm »
all its really doing is stimulating bloodflow really isnt it...? maybe spending £95 on itd force you to actually use it

Offline SA Chris

  • forum hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 18715
  • Karma: +361/-8
    • http://groups.msn.com/ChrisClix
Re: Armaid
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2012, 09:30:38 am »
Perhaps they could form a "buy them both for £300" deal with Accapi, although I suppose if you used them both at the same time there may be a risk of tearing a hole in the time-space continuum...

That just plain daft. If you wear an Accapi top you don't get injuries, and therefore there is no need for one of these.
WARNING! Posting may contain traces of irony, spoonerisms, horse play, sarcasm or other attempts at humour. Not suitable for consumption by foody muckers.

Offline rodma

  • junky
  • ****
  • Posts: 955
  • Karma: +30/-2
Re: Armaid
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2012, 09:55:43 am »
all its really doing is stimulating bloodflow really isnt it...? maybe spending £95 on itd force you to actually use it

It's an easy way of performing self massage, which is more than just increasing bloodflow.

I still go for using my thumb and then flexing wrist to perform massage, really effective!!! I can see why this device makes this more simple.

Online tomtom

  • forum hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 9820
  • Karma: +290/-6
  • _____________
Re: Armaid
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2012, 10:44:57 am »
I thought this thread was going to be about a NW Scotland venue.

I wondered if a B was missing...


Offline Paul T

  • regular
  • *
  • Posts: 57
  • Karma: +3/-0
Re: Armaid
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2012, 01:43:10 pm »
My own experience with cripping elbow problems, rehabilitation and the use of Armaid was the reason we decided to import them into the UK. I've written a short account on the TCA blog.

http://www.theclimbingacademy.com/blog/2012/11/1/armaid-the-tca-story-by-paul-twomey.html

Offline biscuit

  • menacing presence
  • **
  • Posts: 172
  • Karma: +8/-0
Re: Armaid
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2012, 02:56:07 pm »

You already have the answer to your sore elbows then don't you (and it isn't spending money on gimmicky products).
[/quote]

I know that and you know that but still they don't get done as often as they should :(

 Mine are manageable at the moment though. Sometimes something that is easy to use and you have bought specifically for the task, or that you can use on the walk in/out of the crag, makes it more likely you will do what we all know you should. If you get my drift.

Offline slackline

  • forum hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 17240
  • Karma: +506/-16
Re: Armaid
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2012, 02:58:23 pm »
Sometimes something that is easy to use and you have bought specifically for the task, or that you can use on the walk in/out of the crag, makes it more likely you will do what we all know you should. If you get my drift.

You have to justify spending your money somehow.  :P
"If we didnít die, we would not appreciate life as we do" - Jacques Cousteau

Offline Probes

  • Wood Abuser
  • junky
  • ****
  • Posts: 854
  • Karma: +31/-2
    • Crusher Holds
Re: Armaid
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2012, 03:01:33 pm »
Interesting reading this thread, its seems that the armaid is having success when all other methods seems to fail. To be honest i dont quite understand exactly why... yet? Ive been battling with tennis elbow for about 9 months now, and its was only following a conversation with a physio that specialises in ankle injuries that i got to grips with excentrics and the levels of exertion you need to make them work. The degrees of loading he uses with ankle/achilles problems is unreal. So after messing about with reverse curls and the dumbell twist thing and making no real progress I started with the rolly bar method and stuck some considerable weight on it. The improvement in pain happened super quick and now 3 weeks later its virtually gone. So shocked ive been with it that ive started making a few to flog.
What ive gained from self treatment and what it made me think is whether the exact location of where the problem is needs to be determined for the appropriate exercise... eg ive pin pointed mine to about 1 cm up the tendon from the 'nobble'  :blink: on my elbow, and when I try all other methods apart from the rolly bar it doesnt seem to really load this bit. If the main problem was the other side of the 'nobble'  :blink: im sure the dumble method would work better.
Personally ive found it very hard to get a good prognosis and it still seems a bit hit and miss subject. Its hard to get the right advice and I think a lot of people try the wrong excentric exercises.

I also find it interesting that the armaid seems to be successful in most scenarios being mainly a massage device as opposed to full on excentric stretching the tendon style treatment. Kind of goes against all the info and advice Ive had... I wonder if its targetting something the others are missing? surely just massage isnt the fix?....  id be keen to try it out.
"Low reps and high weights or high reps and low weights", "nope, high reps and high weights"

www.crusherholds.co.uk
http://crusherholdsclimbing.blogspot.com/

Offline Serpico

  • forum hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 1192
  • Karma: +93/-1
    • The Craig Y Longridge Wiki
Re: Armaid
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2012, 03:15:48 pm »
So, nothing to do with aid for Armenia then?
http://craigylongridge.wetpaint.com/
"Technique is no substitute for SCIENCE."

Offline SA Chris

  • forum hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 18715
  • Karma: +361/-8
    • http://groups.msn.com/ChrisClix
Re: Armaid
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2012, 03:21:51 pm »
Nah, unless they have another earthquake they can fuck off.
WARNING! Posting may contain traces of irony, spoonerisms, horse play, sarcasm or other attempts at humour. Not suitable for consumption by foody muckers.