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#700 Re: Deadlifting
August 08, 2017, 01:28:30 pm
hi jshaw I've pm'd you - thanks :)

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#701 Re: Deadlifting
January 15, 2018, 10:32:37 am
170kg ! Solely due to wearing a Napalm Death vest.

Incidentally I did my hardest onsight at Ratho the day before, despite it being cold and generally having a sluggish bloaty week due to stomach issues.

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#702 Re: Deadlifting
January 15, 2018, 10:36:06 am
170kg ! Solely due to wearing a Napalm Death vest.

Incidentally I did my hardest onsight at Ratho the day before, despite it being cold and generally having a sluggish bloaty week due to stomach issues.

Well done.

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#703 Re: Deadlifting
January 17, 2018, 10:29:06 pm
 :dance1: :strongbench:
Video?

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#704 Re: Deadlifting
January 17, 2018, 11:15:26 pm
170kg !

nice one

I too have been lifting 170kg, but this is far less impressive due to my body mass

I recently failed at 2xBM, but didn't injure myself - not sure where the enthusiasm came from that day, but it can stay in the box until I've done more practice

(also managed a 36kg standing shoulder press - yeah, I know right)

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#705 Re: Deadlifting
January 22, 2018, 10:57:32 am
:dance1: :strongbench:
Video?

Dude, it wasn't pretty. My form was shocking, and everything about my expression said "maximum SHART". If I try it again (may not happen), I will try to get a video....

Wish I'd got a video of the purple 7b at Ratho tho. That was pretty exciting.

P.s. Nice one lagers :)

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#706 Re: Deadlifting
January 31, 2018, 08:20:03 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTN416dyGCU&feature=youtu.be

Less sharting, different death metal vest, but still bad form. I do focus on good form on lower weights but just push hard on 1RMs. And I only go for it if my body definitely feels good (first 170 was just due to that - session a few days after I stopped at 150 as it felt bad).

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#707 Re: Deadlifting
January 31, 2018, 10:10:46 pm
Good lifting tune - what is it??

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#708 Re: Deadlifting
January 31, 2018, 10:27:06 pm
Belphegor - Conjuring The Dead, from the album of the same name - see the full track in Nnnnnoisy metal thread :)

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#709 Re: Deadlifting
January 31, 2018, 11:01:00 pm
It's not so bad, it's more of a Romanian than a pure deadlift. There's not much quads activation. It's fine.
On another side, SACK THOSE TRAINERS!
Soft shoes like those are dangerous for your ankles, knees, hips and spine, with over 100 kg on!
Buy lifting shoes if you're into it, or a pair of minimalist shoes (old school All Star), or lift barefoot.

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#710 Re: Deadlifting
February 01, 2018, 09:12:25 pm
Like these SABO Russian bad boys:



No belt Fiend?? You must have faith in your back not exploding... I belt up for everything >100kg and never regretted spending £££ on good quality (Zulu detonator)

Good lift  :) ditto lagers, 170 is heavy - now the fireman has ďretiredĒ from the gym we need some more peeps to fly the flag


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#711 Re: Deadlifting
February 01, 2018, 09:17:17 pm
Do you use straps above a certain weight too Measles?

What's the deal with belts? I don't use one, but I'm trying to get a stronger posterior chain for climbing, not lift as much as possible.

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#712 Re: Deadlifting
February 01, 2018, 11:40:04 pm
Do you use straps above a certain weight too Measles?

I did briefly use straps, and found maybe a 10kg uplift with them at the time. I stopped because I thought I might compete in powerlifting one day and you canít use straps for unequipped lifting..
Straps stop grip being the weak point, however with good technique I do think for most climbers grip is not likely to be the weak link.. I use an alternating grip to neutralise roll-out, and allow my fingers to open up a little, rather than overgripping with a full fist; some peeps use the agonising hook grip - Iíve lifted 250 off blocks so confident my gripís ok, and I suspect open handed strength converts well to bar grip strength for climbers, ie I wouldnít bother unless youíre convinced your grip lets your DL down.. (also it will reduce the training value for open hand climbing strength)

What's the deal with belts?

Belts protect your back; I had endless problems with back spasm and prob small disc herniations/sciatica when I started lifting. I told myself I wasnít worthy of a proper belt until Iíd lifted 200, using some shitty neoprene back support - just stupid really - belt didnít give me an uplift, but just bags of confidence to go for it; even with clean technique DL puts an enormous torsional load on your lumbar spine, and the slightest loss of concentration/form can fuck you up..
Iíve said before I thought DL transferred well to climbing post chain strength up to about 2.5BW; beyond that itís not made any difference, but thatís still plenty of weight to fuck your back with!

I'm trying to get a stronger posterior chain for climbing, not lift as much as possible.

That how it starts... then the disease gets under your skin - everyone wants to lift as much as possible  ;)

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#713 Re: Deadlifting
February 02, 2018, 08:36:45 am
Thanks man, will wad you when I have posted enough!

Yeah 2.5 is what Iím interested in getting to, although Iím sure thatís what everyone says to start with!

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#714 Re: Deadlifting
February 02, 2018, 09:34:19 am
Nah everyone says 2XBW cos it's a neater equation, only beasts like Measlez go much further....

Straps: When I first used straps I found it added maybe 20kg to my lift. When I first used alternating grip with a bit of chalk i found it added......20kg to my lift. Alternating feels weird at first tho. I find a comfy bar helps quite a bit, girthy with a decent but non-aggressive gnurl (sp).

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No belt Fiend?? You must have faith in your back not exploding...

Hmmm. Maybe. Not sure I like relying on faith. It's a bit like slackline and his feverish faith in the omnipotence of current science.....something could change...

Okay so I have worked up pretty slowly from 60/80kg to 160kg over....4 years maybe?? In that time I have had some mild aches / doms after lifting but no tweaks twinges nor major stiffness etc. So I guess I have worked up to it. As I say I also do keep a much straighter back on lighter lifts and focus on that, and am pretty careful not to push hard if my body doesn't feel good. It's a good question tho, I feel a bit uncomfortable answering "well it's worked fine so far".  Anyone else got any feedback on that??

Nibble I *might* try barefoot just for you, but I don't feel any bad effects from the shoes, and the back thing is more of a concern. About the lift form, when should more quad activation occur?

P.S. Will wad measlez on your behalf mr tub, not that it makes jack shit with new board..........>:(

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#715 Re: Deadlifting
February 02, 2018, 09:40:53 am
Just looked through this thread to find my timescale, it was 80 > 160 kg in 3 years.

Also found some gems like this:

Quote from: measles 23
Jesus its quite intense - is it normal to feel a bit dizzy after? The bumpy boys reckoned it might have had something to do with forgetting to breathe for several minutes from the shock..

Also the gym scene takes some getting used to - its a bit much to go from feeling like the fat cnut at the crag to being the 7 stone (I wish..) weakling - I could taste the pity - I'm sure next time they're gonna strap me to the bench and force feed me whey and 'roids

Plus the glory days of Mark S doing 180kg lifts and warning us it could be quite addictive.

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#716 Re: Deadlifting
February 02, 2018, 08:52:02 pm
Happy memories!

I guess a steady progression like that is much better for your back - I think I lifted 180 after only 3 or 4 sessions, but then every time I lifted it I put my back out so ended up plateauing at 180 for 2 yrs.. only really started progressing when I got a good belt and switched to sumo..

Belt is not just protective; it also provides something to brace your core against.. there are a couple of big lifters who go beltless and call their core their belt, but these are guys with 60 inch waists!

Iíll wad you guys back for:

1. teestub for mentioning posterior chain, for it is the key to the mystery of climbing core strength - 90% of videos and articles on core only talk about anterior abdominal stuff like leg raises and L sits and the like, in the belief that core is about getting your feet back on steep rock. But who the heck canít lift their legs up from hanging, even if they need some swing??? Core for me is about creating the tension when your feet are back on, and that is posterior chain all the way (fingers and shoulders too sípose) And what is the kingmaker exercise for posterior chain??  (actually prob skwat but DL does very nicely)

2. fiend for realising that heavy metal + heavy metal = muthafuckin heavy metal squared :punk:

3. Its a DL love-in innit xx

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#717 Re: Deadlifting
February 03, 2018, 09:21:02 am
Nibble I *might* try barefoot just for you, but I don't feel any bad effects from the shoes, and the back thing is more of a concern. About the lift form, when should more quad activation occur?
Hey beast!
First of all, I'm positive that soft shoes are a big risk. You may not notice the diffecrence because you're too busy not collapsing under the bar, but your feet, ankles, knees, hips and lower back are undergoing lots of micro adjustments and movements because the sole is unstable. Your body has to compensate the instability and that's no good. You don't want to find yourself, in a few years from now, bicep-curling on a Bosu ball, don't you?
Try barefoot (a bit extreme) or with flat and hard soles shoes. Then you'll look up in the sky and you'll say: Forgive me Lord for I doubted Nibile's word.

Then: disclaimer, I can't do it. I can't deadlift properly and I will probably use only the trap bar. Anyway, as many of us, you shoot your hips up before even leaving the ground with the bar. This allows us to clear the knees in an easier way. I've read lots on the deadlift setup and execution angles, and the key is that during the first part of the lift, there should be equal extension at the knees and hips, with the torso (shoulders) going up vertically without changing its setup angle to the ground. Then, after clearing the knees, there should be hip hinge and all posterior chain activation to the lock.
It's as difficult to perform as beautiful to watch.

Finally: belts. I think that lots of people - including myself when I started moving plates around in a gym, aged 15 - misunderstand the aim of belts. I used to think that a belt should provide back support, in order not to round the lower back. I was wrong.
If this were the aim, belts would be slim on the back and stiff and high profiled on the front, to avoid you crouching forward under load.
The aim of belts is to help create core tension via internal pressure. Instead of simply holding the breath and stiffening all core muscles, with a belt the lifter actually pushes his abs out against the belt, to increase internal pressure.
This is why I think that most lifters shoudn't use it, firstly because they don't know how to use it properly, then because they're not even close to creating enough internal pressure on their own, this meaning that they shouldn't train with certain weights.

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#718 Re: Deadlifting
February 03, 2018, 09:32:50 am
Iíll wad you guys back for:

1. teestub for mentioning posterior chain
Sorry guys, couldn't reply earlier.

No, that's not one of the articles that I've read, in any case as OMM said, it makes sense to avoid such a movement pattern in a warm up!
On the matter of specificity, or real world function, my experience is that the kind of core tension required for climbing is far more complex than the one that can be developed with front levers or windscreen wipers or even ab-wheel.
All these excercises train the ability of "pushing" yourself up against gravity, and do not place a serious effort on the legs.
In climbing on very overhanging terrain, this kind of ability - although crucial in terms of pure strength - is not enough, because the specific climbing effort requires that we stay rigid but actually pushing our body down on the footholds, rather than pushing it up against the rock.
So, down to the hips it's mostly the frontal part of the torso that bears the effort, but from the hips down, it's all the posterior chain, from erectors (that are involved in the levers anyway) to the glutes, hamstrings and calves.
I haven't read it all either, but judging by the pics enlightening the muscles (the abs), it could be that it completely overlooks glutes and hamstrings.
I've found out, by training specifically core tension on my board, that staying put on steep terrain with small feet involves tons of pulling with glutes and hamstrings, along with abs.
Abs work only the lower torso, stopping at the pelvis, but then you have your legs that have to stay tight to maintain contact with the footholds. And abs don't move legs.
And the usual demonstrative video. Glutes and hamstrings engage to push the pelvis up after putting the foot on the foothold.

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#719 Re: Deadlifting
February 03, 2018, 10:34:03 am
Cheers for the further info guys :)

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#720 Re: Deadlifting
February 04, 2018, 07:48:29 pm

2. fiend for realising that heavy metal + heavy metal = muthafuckin heavy metal squared :punk:


 ;D I must confess I was listening to hard dnb and gabber at the gym today, but I was wearing a Behemoth vest at least  :punk:

I rewatched your 3BW video (scrolling back through the thread), that is some serious effort put in, nice one.

Nibbles I went for an easy session today, sets 5 x 100, 120, 140 and back again, I was focusing more on a straighter back and driving with the legs, which worked for the lower two weights but 140 is when it starts getting hard for me and I lose form a bit. Will keep working on it. And, *bonus* once I remembered I did the 2nd lot of 140 and down with just socks on, and it felt a little bit better, just felt like I could feel the balance better in my feet. Nothing major but I will keep doing that if only to stop you telling me off when I post a 180 video in 5 years time.

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#721 Re: Deadlifting
February 04, 2018, 08:46:17 pm
 ;D  ;D
I've got new lenses and can read the small lines!
Glad it helped!