[cofe]

As me and the legal profession's pocket-sized Perry Mason are finishing off the new Peak bouldering guide at the minute, I thought I'd inadvisedly throw a grade debate open to the general riff-raff, i.e. you lot.

Note this is an opportunity to voice your thoughts and help us ensure we're close to consensus on stuff, rather than an excuse to compare cock size. Please bear that in mind as you move to unzip your fly. It builds to a degree on Bonjoy's grade changes thread from a couple of years ago.

Here's a few to get the ball rolling:

• Flatworld: Now settled at 7b+.
• Terrace: 7c.
• Electrical Storm: up to 7b.
• Kudos (any/either way): up to 7b.
• Dick Williams: down to 7b.
• River of Life: 7c+ or 8a?

(I've picked problems in the 7s, as that's what I'm expecting to get feedback on.)

Discuss.*

*I immediately regret this...

[Eddies]

I agree with both Electric Storm and Kudos being 7b.
Little Richard should go up to 7a+ in my opinion.

[nai]

WSS to 7C?

go on you know you want to

[tomtom]

Whats the going  rate to up a Font Grade Cofe?  I think I've just figured out a new way to meet my 2010 goals 

[cofe]

Everything has a price.

[north_country_boy]

Giza....7b/b+?
Back in the YMCA..... 7b+?
Fact Hunt.....7a+?

[nai]

Giza harder for the short I think, felt 7B+ to me.

[Ru]

Giza....7b/b+?
Back in the YMCA..... 7b+?
Fact Hunt.....7a+?

Giza is in at 7b+,

Fact Hunt is in at 7a+

Back in the YMCA is in at 7b+

I left WSS in at 7b+ for old times sakes. I admit it's a smidge harder without the pebble but I still thought it was 7b+ (and yes I have. With witnesses. If you count Dylan.)

[205Chris]

Piss at 7a+? Certainly feels to be more than half a grade between this and sh!t.

[nik at work]

Kudos is about 9B anyway I try it.

Agree with Piss and Shit being a full grade apart, work that as suits.

Is Ben's Roof 7C nowadays? It's easier than Powerband.

[Ru]

Is Ben's Roof 7C nowadays? It's easier than Powerband.

You'd think that a 7c+ on which the crux hold doubled in size, an easier finish was found and a no-hands knee-bar rest was discovered in the middle would go down a grade. But no. Its still in as 7c+.

[Andy B]

Here we fucking go.

I vote that only people who have done over 600 7s and 8s in the Peak have enough knowledge to accurately grade anything.

[nik at work]

What have I started?

I'm happy for Ben's to stay as 7C+, but that only makes sense if Powerband is also 7C+, which would surely make Staminaband more than 8A at which point I can only presume the Earth would spin off it's axis and plunge headlong into the sun engulfing us all in flame or such-like...

[nai]

Out West,
you probably know Monologue not 7C
S&M down to 7a.
Stall Arete > 7a, shirley.

[cofe]

Monologue at 7b+. S&M still 7a+ at the mo... Stall 7a.

[205Chris]

Stall Arete > 7a, shirley.

I'd agree with Stall at 7a. Hard for 7a, but not worth the plus (and don't call me shirley).

[Ru]

I'm happy for Ben's to stay as 7C+, but that only makes sense if Powerband is also 7C+, which would surely make Staminaband more than 8A at which point I can only presume the Earth would spin off it's axis and plunge headlong into the sun engulfing us all in flame or such-like...

Powerband is much harder if you're short, like we are. I think for most people it's 7c.

[robertostallioni]

Is it harder if you're hairy?

[Serpico]

...But no. Its still in as 7c+.

Cheque's in the post your honour.

[dave]

I left WSS in at 7b+ for old times sakes. I admit it's a smidge harder without the pebble but I still thought it was 7b+ (and yes I have. With witnesses. If you count Dylan.)

Plus maybe half of the sequences people use don't even use the pebble anyway - you can't give those people a free upgrade for nothing. Its not as if the top sidepull fell off.

whats tumbleweed in at, 7c+?

I'd also like to table a motion to get bigger splash direct kneeling start (aka tsuneeling spash) in at 7c.

[Ru]

Plus maybe half of the sequences people use don't even use the pebble anyway - you can't give those people a free upgrade for nothing. Its not as if the top sidepull fell off.

whats tumbleweed in at, 7c+?

True and yes.

[Bonjoy]

I'm happy for Ben's to stay as 7C+, but that only makes sense if Powerband is also 7C+, which would surely make Staminaband more than 8A at which point I can only presume the Earth would spin off it's axis and plunge headlong into the sun engulfing us all in flame or such-like...

Powerband is much harder if you're short, like we are. I think for most people it's 7c.

BR is on average harder for the average of height.
Which hold got bigger on Ben's Roof, is this recent?

[Bonjoy]

Oh and Left Spur is 9d.

[Ru]

Which hold got bigger on Ben's Roof, is this recent?

No, it predated the first guide (as did the kneebar etc). It's the left hand sidepull/undercut reached off the right hand crimp in the roof before you walk your feet round to the side wall. There used to be some crozzle on the lip so you couldn't get as many fingers in the good bit.

Left Spur now 7b.

[Moo]

agreed with kudos being 7b

can see how small less powerful people might think the terrace is tough for 7c but I think it's fair