[slackline]

Strange how people change their stance when its them who are affected.

As I understood it, he turned down legal aid...

This happens all the time, people are charged and prosecuted by the CPS and it is up to them to fight it, this is the basis of the justice system. I fear we are in danger of changing the law based on one man's case because he happens to be a public figure with the ear of the press.

The law was changed only two years ago....

[battery]

Strange how people change their stance when its them who are affected.

As I understood it, he turned down legal aid...

This happens all the time, people are charged and prosecuted by the CPS and it is up to them to fight it, this is the basis of the justice system. I fear we are in danger of changing the law based on one man's case because he happens to be a public figure with the ear of the press.

The law was changed only two years ago....

From what to what? Not trying to be annoying, genuinely interested and intrigued.

[slackline]

From what to what? Not trying to be annoying, genuinely interested and intrigued.

  https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=uk+removal+of+legal+aid

Lots of reports in the press from the last year or so, this ones quite recent...

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/01/how-legal-aid-cuts-are-harming-voiceless-and-most-vulnerable


I'll leave any more searching to yourself.

[battery]

I didn't know what to google as I wasn't sure which law you were referring to as having changed.

As far as I understand it, the changes to legal aid system would not have impacted upon Nigel Evan's ability to get legal aid, it was a case that he decided that he did not want the representation and once you have made that decision, you can not go back on it once the trial has started.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27007764

[slackline]

I didn't know what to google as I wasn't sure which law you were referring to as having changed.

As far as I understand it, the changes to legal aid system would not have impacted upon Nigel Evan's ability to get legal aid, it was a case that he decided that he did not want the representation and once you have made that decision, you can not go back on it once the trial has started.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27007764

I didn't really post the first link on this to highlight his decision not to accept legal aid.  Rather that he has changed his opinion on whether funding to legal aid should be cut now that he is seeking reimbursement for his expenses.  He is still entitled to do this, but can only claim upto the amount that legal aid would have provided, perhaps that underpins his shift in attitude as he's realised that the changes to funding would mean that he's entitled to less reimbursement?

This happens all the time, people are charged and prosecuted by the CPS and it is up to them to fight it, this is the basis of the justice system. I fear we are in danger of changing the law based on one man's case because he happens to be a public figure with the ear of the press.

Yes it is upto individuals who are charged to fight it, but they are entitled to legal aid.  They are now entitled to less legal aid, whether thats up front or retrospectively seeking reimbursement after having been cleared, thanks to the Government trying to save some cash.

If you're found by a jury to be innocent of the accusation bought against you should you therefore remain out of pocket?

[Sloper]

Legal aid has been under serious attack since 1997 (and perhaps before but my date of knowledge only runs from then) and defendant costs orders have never come close to the costs of instructing a solicitor and counsel privately.

The reason people do this is that the legal aid rates are so low (and have been for a decade or more) that it's impossible to properly prepare a trial on legal aid rates.

I know a partner in a criminal aid firm who has recently had his salary cut to around £35k. Now that may seem like a lot, but consider the comparator in medicine of 6 years study then 15 years experience.  How much would a medic be on 15 years post qualification.

Ru can, I expect, provide more details.

But yes, the Government's attack on legal aid is an outrage to all right thinking people and at least now we might have someone in the tent pissing in on failing grayling.

[Sloper]

Cuasus belli, look out hipsters!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/15/north-koreans-complain-london-hairdresser-kim-jong-un

[Obi-Wan is lost...]

 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/wutang-clandiscovered-rapper-andre-johnson-severed-his-penis-and-jumped-from-la-building-9265856.html

[slackline]

Missing boy found in bowling alley claw machine

[Jaspersharpe]

  Great photo.

[Sloper]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/wutang-clandiscovered-rapper-andre-johnson-severed-his-penis-and-jumped-from-la-building-9265856.html

A cop mate of mine recently had to send someone down to the QMC to see a consultant urologist, his patient had arranged to meet somone on a website along the lines of eunuch.net and the person he met chopped off his c0ck and then cauterised the stump  leading to the inevitable urological problems. (obviously don't google this website at work or in reality at all)

No doubt there's some deeply rooted mental health issues as well.

[drdeath]

I know a partner in a criminal aid firm who has recently had his salary cut to around £35k. Now that may seem like a lot, but consider the comparator in medicine of 6 years study then 15 years experience.  How much would a medic be on 15 years post qualification.

Ru can, I expect, provide more details.

A Hospital Consultant aged 38 (i.e 15 yrs post-qualification) working full-time might earn around £85,000 a year for a contracted 9-5 working week.

D

[SA Chris]

Are you really only 38?

[drdeath]

My premature grey hair unfortunately ages me, but does provide me with a semblance of gravitas.

 

[Jaspersharpe]

HAHAHAHHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

http://www.theweek.co.uk/uk-news/58473/gary-barlow-must-repay-millions-pounds-tax

Wanker.

[tomtom]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/wutang-clandiscovered-rapper-andre-johnson-severed-his-penis-and-jumped-from-la-building-9265856.html

A cop mate of mine recently had to send someone down to the QMC to see a consultant urologist, his patient had arranged to meet somone on a website along the lines of eunuch.net and the person he met chopped off his c0ck and then cauterised the stump  leading to the inevitable urological problems. (obviously don't google this website at work or in reality at all)

No doubt there's some deeply rooted mental health issues as well.

I suspect things are not as deeply rooted now though :/

[tomtom]

HAHAHAHHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

http://www.theweek.co.uk/uk-news/58473/gary-barlow-must-repay-millions-pounds-tax

Wanker.

Brilliant Though the downside is he may have to do more work, and we'll hear even more of his 'jump off a bridge inducing' voice on the TV. Probably every other advert will end  up being voiced by his drowsy tones. Actually - he could be the new face of Iceland. Ha, how I would laugh....

Does Bono's hat file a tax return?

[Jaspersharpe]

Sometimes words are unnecessary.

[tomtom]

Fuck thats scary. Cameron looks like he's just fisted an elephant and Barlow looks like he was watching and fucking enjoyed it...

[Oldmanmatt]

Fuck thats scary. Cameron looks like he's just fisted an elephant and Barlow looks like he was watching and fucking enjoyed it...

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I rather thought it looked as though Barlow was fisting Cam-moron....

[PipeSmoke]

Thats the facial expressions of two people who can't quite believe what they are getting away with

[lagerstarfish]

I cut my nails, are you sure you did?

[Jaspersharpe]

Not sure where to put this but I suppose the opening of the 9/11 memorial museum can be considered news, and this is really worth reading......

http://www.buzzfeed.com/stevekandell/the-worst-day-of-my-life-is-now-new-yorks-hottest-tourist-at?s=mobile

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[SA Chris]

3 bullfighters nailed in one show

[Nibile]

25 years have passed, and this little man to me is still the baddest, toughest motherfucker of all time.
Hats off to you little beast.